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Richard and Judy
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Judy: Now, how many times have you tried and failed to stop smoking? Now a brand new way to give up is being launched which claims it has a 70 to 90% success rate depending on how many treatments you have. We tried it out on heavy smoker, Loaded writer, Martin Pashly, who's been trying and failing to stop for three years. Would it work for him?
Martin: I've been smoking for 17 years, and I smoke 20 to 30 a day. If I'm on a night out it can be as much as 50. I have a beaker here, it's going to act as an ashtray, I have my last cigarette, I have to smoke it 3 quarters of the way down and then I'm to spit on it, and that will be it, the end of my smoking career.
So Savita I've got this pretty disgusting pot of phlegm and a smoked cigarette, now, could you explain to me exactly how this is going to help me stop smoking.
Savita: Yes Martin what we take is the cigarette in the beaker and put it in the machine, now the energy pattern of the nicotine is being inverted and sent to you via electrodes, to neutralise the original pattern.
Martin: So its like fighting the nicotine inside your body
Savita: Basically it's a law of physics, a mirror image over the original image will neutralise itself.
Mandy: Therapy time is variable and I'm going to put it up to 18 minutes.
Martin: What's the average sort of time?
Mandy: With nicotine 18 minutes
Mandy: what the machine does is it brings the body back to its original state, before you had your first cigarette, so your body loses the memory of nicotine.
Savita: So, nicotine is starting to come out of his body, even though we're only 7 minutes into the treatment.
Martin: So hopefully I should be quite an easy treatment.
Mandy: Hopefully, that would be very nice.
And as you can see, there's traces of nicotine actually which came out of your skin
Martin: oh yeah. Yes I saw it on my hands earlier. Like before we started the treatment, you said they would go black, and they're actually going black.
Savita: It's just the nicotine coming out, you can wash your hands, it's not like it's going to stain you. There's just one last thing now, I want the packet of cigarettes that you came in with.
Martin: Ok well here you are, hopefully the last cigarette I've smoked in my life
Judy: But did it work? Our guinea pig Martin joins us now along with Sunday telegraph journalist Nina Goswami whose also tried this course, and health therapist you saw on that clip, savita Bhandari. Ok Martin, this was what? 4 days ago.
Martin: Yes that's right, I haven't had a cigarette since, I haven't even thought about them really. I get very tired at night, and I'm sleeping like 12 hours at night but no cigarettes at all.
Richard: You went on a 200 mile car journey?
Martin: Yeah and usually that's a trigger. Driving means cigarette, cigarette, cigarette...I didn't think about it ..drove all the way.
Richard: So you're not fighting an addiction I'm mean you've tired to give up before?
Martin: yeah It feels like the addiction's gone. Something's missing.
Richard: But do you feel different in other ways too?
Martin: Yeah I feel a lot more healthier, lot more wanna run around. But it definitely feels like.You know the addiction when you take gum...you're fighting the monkey on your back. It just feels like it's been taken away from me.
Richard: Switched off?
Martin: Switched off totally
Judy: well if it's true that there is a 70-90% success rate, in terms of nicotine patches and gum they're proven to only have 6% chance of succeeding so.
This is really massive, I'll talk to you in a minute Savita.
Nina, I think you had a slightly more intensive course than Martin, did you go back for two treatments
Nina: No I had one also. If you have to go back for a second treatment, it's the result of the fact that you feel you need to have a cigarette
Judy: How did you feel during the treatment?
Nina: At first it was like this tingling sensation running through the body
Judy: that's the electricity.
Nina: Yeah, in a way the idea of having electric shock therapy, in a way that's the feeling you have on a mild form.
Richard: And you both have reported, we saw those dark marks on your hands, and you both went home afterwards.. separately.(laugh) and you had a bath and you found the bath was filled with a strange grey colour, that seemed to be coming from your skin..
Martin: Yeah, you can really smell tobacco coming off you
Richard: you can smell it?
Martin: Smell it, Yeah
Richard: And you're both journalists right, and you wanted to give up smoking as you have done for many years, but you wanted to approach this with an investigative approach, as personal guinea pigs and you're absolutely without question that this is brand new, you've never had this experience before when you've tried to give up.
Nina: no
Martin: no
Richard: Are you thinking about smoking at all?
Nina: No, its been a month as of today and I haven't wanted once to pick up a cigarette.
Judy: Well this is extraordinary isn't it, so much so savita that we thought oh no this is just wishful thinking, positive suggestion that kind of thing. But we checked up with a major expert ..... to explain to us how it works
Richard: Its Alistair Philips head of Power Watch isn't he - an independent organisation with a central role in electromagnetic field and microwave radiation research and the health debate - and he said well yeah it looks to me as if it works he also said that we should check out its affects on children with eczema its having remarkable results...and allergies, you tell us how it works.
Savita: Well I started off with allergy therapy in my clinic and in Poland they also do the same therapy. It was a polish doctor who discovered this, while he was working on allergies with children and adults, he decided that he would use nicotine in the input beaker, and use that to detoxify nicotine addiction, just had a thought, and he did this and it worked - and so now it has obviously been done by other people and other clinics.
So the way it works is purely by electromagnetic energy patterns, if we think of nicotine lets say in the body and we can think of a molecule of nicotine. Now everything gives off energy patterns, we know that milk, or the table or the chair
Richard: As a frequency
Savita: As a frequency, everything gives off an energy pattern
Richard: Now this isn't new age stuff it is Physics
Savita: This is Physics. So if we look at the molecule of nicotine, and we look at the zinging energy that it has (it looks like this) - now we pick up the energy patterns of nicotine, just waves through the electrodes, the machine itself turns the electromagnetic energy pattern upside down, inverts it and sends it to the body back through another electrode, into the body. This energy pattern if we look at a sign wave, is inverted, meets the original in the body. You're sending the body this. This meets this, it is the exact mirror image of each other and so you are cancelling the energy, it's called phase cancellation.
Richard: You can do that with noise cant you, if you're plagued with noise from say a factory two miles away, and get a machine that will mimic the noise that reaches you and you effectively don't hear it anymore.
Savita: Exactly, infact when you came to do the filming, your camera man, no im sorry your sound man, said that we do that if we have extra sound with the tissue or something like that in the background, or somebody moving and we want to cancel the sound. We use phase cancellation it is a law of physics
Judy: Ok so we are now left with at the end of this treatment, you both had all these toxins coming out of your body which smelt of tobacco, which stained your bathwater.
Richard: Did you really smell of tobacco?
Nina: Yes, well with me particularly, when I kicked my shoes off when I was at home my feet were black, so I am totally curious.
Judy: You even said that you, if you don't mind me putting it a little indelicately your pee smelt of tobacco.
Martin: Yeah nicotine and tobacco, yeah, because you are advised to drink lots of water after your treatment, and ive been drinking 2 to 3 litres a day and my urine has been smelling very tobacco-ey, its got better now it was very strong in the first place.
Judy: So what they are now back to the state physically where they are no longer addicted to nicotine, but that doesn't mean that they can pick up a cigarette again and start again.
Savita: No I mean the physical craving has gone, because we have physically removed if you like the nicotine, or they have just removed it, eliminated it. Their own body has eliminated it through urine, stools, skin pores, ok so they are now like a non smoker, like they never had a cigarette. But if now with social pressures etc they are forced to pick up a cigarette, of course they can pick up a cigarette and smoke it.
Judy: .and start being addicted again. So Savita very very briefly we have to ask you are there any kinds of people that this is not suitable for, people with particular physical conditions?
Savita: No
Richard: Were told people with pacemakers, its not suitable for? And heart conditions generally
Savita: With the bicom machine you are advised not to use it when you are using the magnetic electrodes, but if you don't use the magnetic electrodes which we don't do within this treatment, we're just using the brass balls, you can use it for anybody.
Richard: OK. Well thank you very much indeed, thank you both for trying it out.
Martin: Well thank you
Richard: You look like a very satisfied customer
Judy: You look slightly shocked actually
Martin: I am totally shocked, I thought it was hocus pocus and wouldn't work
Richard: I must admit I thought it was a load of witch craft but no, Alistair Phillips head of power watch says not. Actually he gave a very interesting analogy in terms of cancelling out wave lengths. He says that when an opera singer hits a certain note which is at the same resonance as say a crystal glass in front of them it can break the glass and it's the same kind of thing, its that head on.
Judy: Thank you very much.
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Judy: Now, how many times have you tried and failed to stop smoking? Now a brand new way to give up is being launched which claims it has a 70 to 90% success rate depending on how many treatments you have. We tried it out on heavy smoker, Loaded writer, Martin Pashly, who's been trying and failing to stop for three years. Would it work for him?
Martin: I've been smoking for 17 years, and I smoke 20 to 30 a day. If I'm on a night out it can be as much as 50. I have a beaker here, it's going to act as an ashtray, I have my last cigarette, I have to smoke it 3 quarters of the way down and then I'm to spit on it, and that will be it, the end of my smoking career.
So Savita I've got this pretty disgusting pot of phlegm and a smoked cigarette, now, could you explain to me exactly how this is going to help me stop smoking.
Savita: Yes Martin what we take is the cigarette in the beaker and put it in the machine, now the energy pattern of the nicotine is being inverted and sent to you via electrodes, to neutralise the original pattern.
Martin: So its like fighting the nicotine inside your body
Savita: Basically it's a law of physics, a mirror image over the original image will neutralise itself.
Mandy: Therapy time is variable and I'm going to put it up to 18 minutes.
Martin: What's the average sort of time?
Mandy: With nicotine 18 minutes
Mandy: what the machine does is it brings the body back to its original state, before you had your first cigarette, so your body loses the memory of nicotine.
Savita: So, nicotine is starting to come out of his body, even though we're only 7 minutes into the treatment.
Martin: So hopefully I should be quite an easy treatment.
Mandy: Hopefully, that would be very nice.
And as you can see, there's traces of nicotine actually which came out of your skin
Martin: oh yeah. Yes I saw it on my hands earlier. Like before we started the treatment, you said they would go black, and they're actually going black.
Savita: It's just the nicotine coming out, you can wash your hands, it's not like it's going to stain you. There's just one last thing now, I want the packet of cigarettes that you came in with.
Martin: Ok well here you are, hopefully the last cigarette I've smoked in my life
Judy: But did it work? Our guinea pig Martin joins us now along with Sunday telegraph journalist Nina Goswami whose also tried this course, and health therapist you saw on that clip, savita Bhandari. Ok Martin, this was what? 4 days ago.
Martin: Yes that's right, I haven't had a cigarette since, I haven't even thought about them really. I get very tired at night, and I'm sleeping like 12 hours at night but no cigarettes at all.
Richard: You went on a 200 mile car journey?
Martin: Yeah and usually that's a trigger. Driving means cigarette, cigarette, cigarette...I didn't think about it ..drove all the way.
Richard: So you're not fighting an addiction I'm mean you've tired to give up before?
Martin: yeah It feels like the addiction's gone. Something's missing.
Richard: But do you feel different in other ways too?
Martin: Yeah I feel a lot more healthier, lot more wanna run around. But it definitely feels like.You know the addiction when you take gum...you're fighting the monkey on your back. It just feels like it's been taken away from me.
Richard: Switched off?
Martin: Switched off totally
Judy: well if it's true that there is a 70-90% success rate, in terms of nicotine patches and gum they're proven to only have 6% chance of succeeding so.
This is really massive, I'll talk to you in a minute Savita.
Nina, I think you had a slightly more intensive course than Martin, did you go back for two treatments
Nina: No I had one also. If you have to go back for a second treatment, it's the result of the fact that you feel you need to have a cigarette
Judy: How did you feel during the treatment?
Nina: At first it was like this tingling sensation running through the body
Judy: that's the electricity.
Nina: Yeah, in a way the idea of having electric shock therapy, in a way that's the feeling you have on a mild form.
Richard: And you both have reported, we saw those dark marks on your hands, and you both went home afterwards.. separately.(laugh) and you had a bath and you found the bath was filled with a strange grey colour, that seemed to be coming from your skin..
Martin: Yeah, you can really smell tobacco coming off you
Richard: you can smell it?
Martin: Smell it, Yeah
Richard: And you're both journalists right, and you wanted to give up smoking as you have done for many years, but you wanted to approach this with an investigative approach, as personal guinea pigs and you're absolutely without question that this is brand new, you've never had this experience before when you've tried to give up.
Nina: no
Martin: no
Richard: Are you thinking about smoking at all?
Nina: No, its been a month as of today and I haven't wanted once to pick up a cigarette.
Judy: Well this is extraordinary isn't it, so much so savita that we thought oh no this is just wishful thinking, positive suggestion that kind of thing. But we checked up with a major expert ..... to explain to us how it works
Richard: Its Alistair Philips head of Power Watch isn't he - an independent organisation with a central role in electromagnetic field and microwave radiation research and the health debate - and he said well yeah it looks to me as if it works he also said that we should check out its affects on children with eczema its having remarkable results...and allergies, you tell us how it works.
Savita: Well I started off with allergy therapy in my clinic and in Poland they also do the same therapy. It was a polish doctor who discovered this, while he was working on allergies with children and adults, he decided that he would use nicotine in the input beaker, and use that to detoxify nicotine addiction, just had a thought, and he did this and it worked - and so now it has obviously been done by other people and other clinics.
So the way it works is purely by electromagnetic energy patterns, if we think of nicotine lets say in the body and we can think of a molecule of nicotine. Now everything gives off energy patterns, we know that milk, or the table or the chair
Richard: As a frequency
Savita: As a frequency, everything gives off an energy pattern
Richard: Now this isn't new age stuff it is Physics
Savita: This is Physics. So if we look at the molecule of nicotine, and we look at the zinging energy that it has (it looks like this) - now we pick up the energy patterns of nicotine, just waves through the electrodes, the machine itself turns the electromagnetic energy pattern upside down, inverts it and sends it to the body back through another electrode, into the body. This energy pattern if we look at a sign wave, is inverted, meets the original in the body. You're sending the body this. This meets this, it is the exact mirror image of each other and so you are cancelling the energy, it's called phase cancellation.
Richard: You can do that with noise cant you, if you're plagued with noise from say a factory two miles away, and get a machine that will mimic the noise that reaches you and you effectively don't hear it anymore.
Savita: Exactly, infact when you came to do the filming, your camera man, no im sorry your sound man, said that we do that if we have extra sound with the tissue or something like that in the background, or somebody moving and we want to cancel the sound. We use phase cancellation it is a law of physics
Judy: Ok so we are now left with at the end of this treatment, you both had all these toxins coming out of your body which smelt of tobacco, which stained your bathwater.
Richard: Did you really smell of tobacco?
Nina: Yes, well with me particularly, when I kicked my shoes off when I was at home my feet were black, so I am totally curious.
Judy: You even said that you, if you don't mind me putting it a little indelicately your pee smelt of tobacco.
Martin: Yeah nicotine and tobacco, yeah, because you are advised to drink lots of water after your treatment, and ive been drinking 2 to 3 litres a day and my urine has been smelling very tobacco-ey, its got better now it was very strong in the first place.
Judy: So what they are now back to the state physically where they are no longer addicted to nicotine, but that doesn't mean that they can pick up a cigarette again and start again.
Savita: No I mean the physical craving has gone, because we have physically removed if you like the nicotine, or they have just removed it, eliminated it. Their own body has eliminated it through urine, stools, skin pores, ok so they are now like a non smoker, like they never had a cigarette. But if now with social pressures etc they are forced to pick up a cigarette, of course they can pick up a cigarette and smoke it.
Judy: .and start being addicted again. So Savita very very briefly we have to ask you are there any kinds of people that this is not suitable for, people with particular physical conditions?
Savita: No
Richard: Were told people with pacemakers, its not suitable for? And heart conditions generally
Savita: With the bicom machine you are advised not to use it when you are using the magnetic electrodes, but if you don't use the magnetic electrodes which we don't do within this treatment, we're just using the brass balls, you can use it for anybody.
Richard: OK. Well thank you very much indeed, thank you both for trying it out.
Martin: Well thank you
Richard: You look like a very satisfied customer
Judy: You look slightly shocked actually
Martin: I am totally shocked, I thought it was hocus pocus and wouldn't work
Richard: I must admit I thought it was a load of witch craft but no, Alistair Phillips head of power watch says not. Actually he gave a very interesting analogy in terms of cancelling out wave lengths. He says that when an opera singer hits a certain note which is at the same resonance as say a crystal glass in front of them it can break the glass and it's the same kind of thing, its that head on.
Judy: Thank you very much.
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